You watch them up close, they understand each other's strengths. There's no ego there. If there was an ego, it wouldn't work.

You say I like that coach, or I don't like that coach, but nobody ever said they didn't like Sue Gunter. She treated me better and with more respect than anybody in the business.

I do believe there are kids who will choose a Tennessee or a Connecticut because of who they are and what they've done and not think about being the last kid on the bench. If we had 13 scholarships, that gives me two they can't get. But we need 15 because it gives you more room for error. You can gamble on some kids and work with them.

It used to be we tried to recruit two or three superstars and put together whatever we could around them, and we'd be successful. You don't get three superstars now, so you have to go out and get five good players and hope you can coach them into something better.

I still hold out hope, but it's going to be hard for somebody out of nowhere to get to the Final Four. Every state university cares about women's basketball now. The edge we had once is gone.

He really fought it. For a while there, he thought he had it beat, but he didn't.