As soon as street art got popular, I was just like, 'I'm out of here.'

I want to do just, like, regular art. Whatever is made today on canvas goes up against all of art history. It's the most radical thing.

I wasn't trying to turn graffiti into an art form. I just wanted to learn about art. I wanted to learn this game.

I just try to get away with as much as I can. I don't think that's very radical in the art world.

You have to look at it as a piece of artwork.

I like the idea that you can paint something outdoors, and anyone can see it. It's open to anyone, and people have to deal with it. In the gallery, it's the same 150 people on the San Francisco art scene. There's a dynamic on the street that's definitely more interesting.