His Little League teams had $35, $40 uniforms when I was buying $18 uniforms for my high school team. It all came out of his pocket. There was no passing the hat.

He (Rodgers) was a good man. He was just out of school at Ohio University and he was obviously the best (applicant). He was very organized. He laid out his plans, his desires and his hopes.

For the amount of help he (Rodgers) had, and we weren't blessed with a lot of football people in those days, he did an outstanding job. He got a lot of backing in the community. This community was definitely ready for football.

One thing Arch had was a lot of patience. The kids never quit. Arch never cut a kid. If you came out, you would get a suit.

He's not your typical 6-4 high school player.

Personally I think there's only one school that can't lose -- Oklahoma. I think anybody else can get beat. Just to win is hard. I mean, Virginia Tech goes to Temple and sneaks out on a missed extra point. How can FSU go to Clemson and lose like they did? Every week, you've got those upsets. I think it speaks volumes for what TCU has done.