If that's not a national problem, what is? ... And all we get from our national leaders is silence and evasion.

I grew up in the West, grew up on the land, was educated as a geologist.

We've set aside tens of millions of acres of those northwestern forests for perpetuity. The unemployment rate has gone not up, but down. The economy has gone up.

Well, it's not a pleasant experience. And it's a terribly political process, because that thing was initiated by the Congress and by, you know, our adversaries in the Congress.

What we've proven is that you can protect the environment, use it wisely and grow the economy and that there is no conflict between the two.

we're pushing 5 million acres.