If you're throwing darts at the wall, maybe.

We're not throwing darts at a dart board. There is a methodology that's been developed over the last 30 or 40 years.

Once you hit 20 (teams), 21 to 25 you might as well be throwing darts. You just have no idea.

It's probably more macro than it is Cisco. Cisco is eating off lots of people's plates. The call made it clear that Cisco is taking market share.

Never say never, but this is as close as you can get to never. It's ludicrous on the face of it, and it's not any more believable the longer you think about it.

We believe Cisco will not meet consensus revenue estimates in fiscal 2002 and expect it will no longer be able to rely on appreciating stock as a currency,