Oldenburg has been extremely respected in the industry. But they have kind of flown under the radar screen and have not done a lot of self-promoting. Turning the company over to Joy, which is very good at promoting its products, is a good move.

Louisville is not on the radar screen of most prospects.

I'm kind of the guy that does all the little things that go under the radar. I still try and bring energy and score some points, get some shots, steals -- whatever they ask. I think I am pretty much the same player, just more experienced, better and I get more minutes.

It was just happening at the beginning under our radar screen. We feel that now that we understand how they're going about trying to steal the copper pipe, we know how to handle it.

We prefer not to get caught up in disputes over other product categories. It hasn't been on our radar screen, but it may be now.

The [industry] is doing extremely well. ACID is really making a mark. Anything different is great. They have a great market, a well- made product, and the company's advertising and marketing are incredible.