We prefer not to get caught up in disputes over other product categories. It hasn't been on our radar screen, but it may be now.

Louisville is not on the radar screen of most prospects.

They caught it on radar, I believe,

It was just happening at the beginning under our radar screen. We feel that now that we understand how they're going about trying to steal the copper pipe, we know how to handle it.

He's been a notoriously slow starter, but you can't let yourself get caught up in that. He's not, but that's been the history of the way he performs. He's working hard. Sometimes, he gets a little too cerebral at the plate and starts thinking too much. When that happens, everything seems to slow down.

Oldenburg has been extremely respected in the industry. But they have kind of flown under the radar screen and have not done a lot of self-promoting. Turning the company over to Joy, which is very good at promoting its products, is a good move.