So actually we didn't have any contacts with UFO organizations. It was all strictly government.

Actually, actually, when he first put us into hypnosis, he didn't know what he was going to get.

So that they can actually make it known to the American people before they vote what they're voting for.

We are going to go to international organizations and that is what I told the Colombian government. There is nothing left but to go to the necessary international bodies. We have no other alternative.

one of the most effective organizations in our government. It is responsive. It is changing and highly accountable.

And that's how I wrote to NICAP, but then later, just very soon after that, like three weeks later, we started getting phone calls from government agents.