They haven't found common ground. That's why I think we shouldn't spend our resources when the advocates can't even come to an agreement.

This did take a lot longer than what we had anticipated, ... We never really found that common ground. Usually, you find that common ground at some point the first couple weeks. We didn't really find anything that we agreed upon for quite some time. That created the long holdout.

We haven't argued about much. We found we have a fair amount of common ground.

One has to question whether or not governments here or on the Mainland should be funding these types of plans when the trend in the private sector is in the other direction.

The real way to address the issue has always been there and that is the rate.

Well, as I characterize most of them, they're all gimmicks, gimmicks to fool the taxpaying public that they're going to get some kind of tax relief.