This is serious car collector stuff.

I'm as passionate as any car owner or car collector that has one car or 300 cars.

A lot of fun stuff happens when you go out on a bike compared to when you're in a car. You're more in the environment. It's enjoyable. Even when It's raining It's still fun.

It is shaping up to be something more serious.

We're doing very serious stuff, ... But some of the stuff we pull with each other in between is not serious at all, and also not repeatable.

Roosevelt was a big collector -- stamps, models. His whole house was brimming with stuff.